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Today I receive a private email and public by Edgar Meyer, a spokesman for the GAIA about our respective views on foreign adoptions of dogs and our work on the protection and animal welfare.
With his permission , without arrogance and the right to post the text without authorization, divulge her thoughts, her questions and my answers.
answers that are offered to the public and that player are my thoughts, my point of view , and called for a debate for all those who have the will and patience to read this book.
recently seems to have dropped a thick curtain on freedom of speech and expression, then I believe that, although adverse, you should communicate with mutual respect a different way of thinking.
This article has as its sole purpose not being "biased" but the comparison of two different ways of thinking and seeing reality with regard to animal welfare.
Lately waste the email warning about the content of an article that is in clear opposition of thought with a modus operandi that I do not agree with ideologically, and waste also "calls" very polite and undemocratic of "suppression" of the same only for differing points of view.
If we want to be civil, plead a cause, to publish one of our ideas, the latest way to do this is to foment a war webbiana.
is not a war that will get you goals. Not at current levels.
Tiziana Paghini
This is the text of the email received with the omission of obligation:
From: edgar.meyer*********
Date: 20/12/2009 18:07. 59
To: tiziana*************
Subject: Blogs and adoptions of dogs
Paghini Dear Tiziana,
a voluntary association of animal me he made some action on his blog, I did not know, without knowing-where-I am called personally concerned about international adoptions of dogs.
I try to answer it, hoping I can be of interest.
to me "like this weird thing," as she calls it international adoption for several reasons. Here is someone (other than that "thing" is not strange but clear and transparent so that the association with Let The Paw promote the sunlight on our site):
are Italian-German nationality (born lived and graduated in Italy) by Italian-Swiss mother and German father. I consider myself a European citizen and I know the different cultures and realities. Reality and culture, especially concerning animal rights, which in Germany and Northern Europe in general is much more advanced than in Italy - unfortunately. Just one example: in Germany, the sterilization is an absolute rule (an exception from us) and the straying essentially unknown, and we have approx. 800,000 stray dogs (data La Sapienza University of Rome) concentrated mainly in central and southern Italy. I could give dozens of examples, but I will stop here. Believe me: the two realities are unfortunately very far apart and one of my efforts as a journalist, as a professional (I was for five years head of the Animal Rights in the Province of Milan and I helped to build the most extensive network of local Uda in Italy: on 38 Province of Milan) and as a volunteer in the animal rights movement, is to bring the Italian to the German model.
who has seen with his own eyes the reality of Germany (and not only speak from hearsay, error of superficiality where unfortunately too many animals fall) knows that there is overcrowding in shelters Germans: there are no kennels lager with 800 / 1000 as dogs from us !!!!! When a German says that their shelters are overcrowded will say that they have under management more than fifty dogs ... here is another difference between the two. A Tierheim (which translated literally means House (Heim) animal (Tier) seats yes 800 animals, such as Tierheim Hamburg, but 600 of these birds are retrieved and recovered, a hundred different farm animals (geese, donkeys, etc.) and only a hundred dogs, including several from Greece and Spain, where were sentenced to death! Because in northern Europe is "normal" care of all animals in need, not only dogs and cats. So there are good facilities and citizens know where to turn ... we have the CRAS - Wild Animals Rescue Centre are an absolute rarity and above all hidden and unknown to most. Returning to the dogs, I saw Germans experienced animal cry visiting kennels Italian (Northern Ireland, among other things) affiliated with public: they had never seen anything like that in their country.
The trip to Germany and Switzerland is no more stressful than any dog \u200b\u200bwith his "master" when he goes on vacation. If the dog is in bad condition, eg. those in the shelter of Rieti, the association is restored Let the leg in Milan before the journey. This, to an association of animal protection, is so obvious that regret to be compelled to emphasize that.
Dogs "send" in Germany or Switzerland should not be in kennels but in case - the family, the popular (other difference ...) or directly to the adoptive family. The German Association for many years with twin Let the leg are strict and accurate pre-and post adoption. These associations organized, precise, strict controls, strict in the choice of families, sometimes (in my opinion) overly strict. "German", to be precise. Away from the organizational model more typical of the Italian associations, not excluding those in which Soldier, full of good-hearted but sometimes improvisation.
Association Let the leg has the certainty that the dogs are entrusted in good hands. Our volunteer work, laborious and expensive in terms of money and time, including that of the narrow relations with the German and Swiss volunteers: daily mail, telephone calls, travel, meetings. Who wants to have as many certainties, he has only to do the same thing. Work together and to struggle together. Disclose to the four winds lists of names and home addresses of adoptive families, you should know, is a crime - both for the Italian law for the German law. Simply, you can not do. They can not do and not do the public shelters, they can not do and not do the private shelters, they can not do and not do the associations that take only Italian families (there is someone who does?) , can not do and not do the associations that take dogs in Italy and abroad with international adoptions. We trust the volunteers of the German associations sisters just as you would normally trust between Italian volunteers who have known for years: because we work together, side by side, because we know each other because they share the anxieties and joys, etc. etc.. It 's funny to discover that a voluntary trust Catanzaro control postaffido a voluntary Bologna (if you know it well) but you can not trust a volunteer from London to Frankfurt or Zurich (which you know so well) ...
Now would I have a question for you
- For years, in Italy a minority of animal-fights and never have gone to the bottom of the thing-against international adoptions who define themselves as "exports", "trade" and so on. involving, in the dark crying "wolf wolf", even unsuspecting citizens, who are understandably shocked by these allegations. But never has it been that these rumors are followed by concrete action. If someone's hand, as well as "fears" real concrete evidence of illegality, please make complaints targeted and precise: they blow those who act in bad faith. We would be the first to join with such complaints. Why do not you and we will just throw vague suspicions?
- so fervently against international adoptions. Much less fervor, and many fewer words are used by these animals in asking the end of importation of puppies from the East: this means an awful speculation (managed by traders and not-as-international adoptions from animal charities) that causes the death of many puppies. Why not concentrate more efforts on this issue real, ask for a change in legislation, as here the evidence is there?
- If it is true that the laws for the protection of animals we are at the forefront (I helped someone to push them too, as a member of the Council of the Lombardy Region for the prevention of stray dogs), not so is the fact that especially in the South-but-not only puts us in Third World level. He has never visited, Ms Tiziana, some kennels of Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Puglia, etc.? Have you ever visited all over the country, public shelters is contracted out to unscrupulous people? Have you ever seen the miserable life / death of these poor beings without a future? We are bombarded by desperate appeals. As you can ignore them and prefer to sow doubts against animal rights organizations for over 20 years to help them spit blood?
- The desperate reality of these poor animals is a certainty. They are not "doubt." Why so much obstinacy on international adoptions? To allay their concerns seriously enough to enter the mechanism. If the doubt (as is) prove infondati? Non è profondamente ingiusto negare la possibilità di trovare una famiglia adottiva (anche se in “terra straniera”) a tanti cani che in Italia (terra matrigna) non la troverebbero mai? Meglio lasciarli marcire nelle centinaia (sono ca. 300 secondo una mia recente inchiesta pubblicata sulla rivista Quattrozampe) di canili lager?
- Diamoci La Zampa in oltre 20 anni di disperata attività ha contribuito a far adottare ca. 7.000 cani: il 95% di essi in Italia ma il 5% anche all’estero. Sono pochi, pochissimi, a fronte dei ca. 1.600.000 cani (dati LAV) che languono dietro le sbarre dei canili. Un milione e seicentomila ergastolani senza colpa. Non numeri, esseri viventi. A cui, if you can, Let The Paw, Animals & Environment Gaia and many other groups trying to make a new life expectancy. Who cares if it's Franz Klammer at home instead of Toni Esposito. A frontier for us is not bad (better represented by the mental borders). The important thing is that there is a house. A family. A "flock". And a dirty box kennel. She not only sow doubt, but for those one million six hundred thousand of desperate endeavor producing adoptions, right?
For the sake of the dogs would be desirable collaboration, and the struggle between those who deal with animal rights. To focus on the real enemies: hunting, vivisection, batterers, abandoned. There is so much to do that, in my humble opinion, is a crime to waste time on anything that does not reach the target.
Yours sincerely.
Edgar Meyer
spokesman Let The Paw
www.diamocilazampa.it
www.gaiaitalia.it
AGREEMENTS TAKEN AS PRIVATELY, HERE IS MY RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS FOR EDGAR MEYER-IN LIGHT OF ITS APPLICATIONS , MY ANSWERS IN BOLD PUBLIC:
*** For years in Italy a minority of animal-fights and never have gone to the bottom of the thing-against international adoptions, which are defined as "exports", "Commerce" and so on. involving, in the dark crying "wolf wolf", even unsuspecting citizens, who are understandably shocked by these allegations. But never has it been that these rumors are followed by concrete action. If someone's hand, as well as "fears" real concrete evidence of illegality, please make complaints targeted and precise: they blow those who act in bad faith. We would be the first to join with such complaints. Why do not you and we will just throw vague suspicions?
R: first:
Urge the premise that the undersigned NOT PART OF ANY ASSOCIATION animals and / or political faction. ALSO URGE SPECIFY For the umpteenth time I SIGNED NON SARA 'MAI FROM CATALOG AS BELONGING TO ONE OF THOSE TWO CATEGORIES. In response to Meyer add that I also have German roots from my father and my husband has repeatedly highlighted the civilization of northern Europe compared to Italy itself, being "adopted" North European. That said, stressing that I move only as an Italian national law-abiding player and doors to the public my feelings, my personal experiences, my views and / or bear without thinking of being part of any animal rights group or movement political. EVERYTHING 'CLEAR AND I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
Now, my thinking is developed through a myriad of complaints for years that run through the web and bringing to the fore the reality of the transfer of our dogs and cats from Italy and abroad. Complaints that do not lead with animals, but only a symbol of real blitz brought to the citizens as evidence by Nas, the Forest Service, the Police, the Police, and even simple people but, unfortunately for them, victims of abduction of its animals for an unknown destination. For obvious reasons, when I can not publish without written consent of the names of these people that if they want in the future may eventually require publication of an article on their own experience. Of course I am available for further testimony backed up by sources and provided valid documentation in order to uncover a reality that should not now be seen as an attack on Edgar Meyer himself or his group, but the transfer of animals from Italy and abroad. The real evidence, unfortunately Sign. Meyer are there, and even if they have nothing to do with his person or the association which represents, however, evidence are going to validate my doubts about foreign adoptions. To this we can add the many appeals / items already in the second half of the 90 people caught between the press and the web itself. So because of this it is normal to require clarity and doubt where it is pitch dark. If not, the concern and the testimonies that have been the subject of many news reports would have no reason to exist. In secundis, Sign. Meyer, it is difficult for all of us who oppose foreign adoptions, but open to constructive dialogue, without being able to believe in miraculous adoption corroborate the truth, because as she points out himself, the names of the adopters are private. Make them public is a crime. This, in the absence of volunteers ready to appear publicly with name, reduces everything to a single track: the transfer of the doubt.
Although this expression is bad, you must be honest with God and admit that without some reference to a double check tangible, legitimate doubt attaches in people's minds like a fire brand. At this point, you will agree with me that it is difficult for citizens to make an accusation without some certainty on the other fonte.Una sort of two-way street in both directions but that is a closed fund. If everything was clear and obvious, there would be no hesitation or otherwise would be limited to the individual and not extended to the ground. See for yourself an animal to be adopted in Italy and then to note that these results have already booked abroad raises doubts in anyone. This statement does not want to accuse you of anything or the Association, but it is clear that in a similar landscape, the attack is a spontaneous, if not valid elements of reference. Personally, I have sought clarification on many volunteers, but my mail has always been ignored.
*** so fervently against international adoptions. Much less fervor, and many fewer words are used by these animals in demanding an end to the importation of puppies from the East: this means an awful speculation (managed by traders and not-as-international adoptions from animal charities) that causes the death of many puppies. Why not concentrate more efforts on this issue real, ask for a change in legislation, as here the evidence is there?
R:
course for this response limits the thought and experience only to myself, not being a spokesman for anyone.
On this question to mail me, I can safely say that my little 'battle' you are never limited to the subject of foreign adoptions and has never favored a single category with regard to the protection and animal welfare.
On my blog, if read carefully, you will find plenty of reasons advocated and feel. From illegal trafficking of animals, abuse, use of 'commercial', that the same food! Not least on the illegal trafficking of pups from the East. It is certain that, once again, I feel compelled to point out my position from individuals not linked to or against the same ASSOCIATIONS and against the institutions. Duty is to remember, however, that the institutions and associations are placed in 'field' right to file this painful and shameful corner of illegal trafficking of human beings. Also here, Sign. Meyer, agree with me that what a citizen can do without any valid membership is very, very, very limited.
Needless to focus on all those who, while declaring animals live with contempt adoption of a dog from a kennel or a cat from a cat shelter, preferring to these sad as the famous 'dog' or 'cat' race . Excuse me, but I do not feel belonging to these groups furry, slicked, preachers, good and evil razzolanti. I have always adopted animals under conditions very poor health, not least a dog sold as such and from the 'infamous' kennel Dogma San Genesio ed Uniti in the province of Pavia.
A dog without a 'References', which according to what is today is published with fanfare from the web, comes from a lager.
Well, neither I nor my husband, we faced the dilemma of what we brought home! Everything was closed box and was conceptually designed by virtue of what was and is conveyed via the web. In essence, a lottery. But we wanted to know the conditions of the dog, and he has lifted the morale to have understood that our Ares did not come from what they call too many kennels lager! Ares, our great puppy character of steel, so as to get a kennel, but not from a camp! Did not come from Trump Plaza, but did not reach even to Auschwitz. I am sorry to raise an argument in many uncomfortable and I had no intention to exhume more, but that's the truth, and not trust it, even if supported with names and surnames, in fortune or misfortune of the adopter. This is not a question of fate but of objectivity. This dog is well, and here I published everything possible, but no one wanted to believe me. Perhaps it was easier and more useful illusion to the contrary. But what could be my profits? None! I have never come to terms with anybody, and I was very saddened by the fact that, once requested, the Mayor of San Genesio ed Uniti, head of the doghouse dogma, did not want to accept my testimony and that of my husband. Written evidence, signed, and sent via registered mail and that he never had any order if not the welfare of animals. After four years of stay in abundant Dogma, this dog has no particular problems Sgambati or adapt to our environment. It 's a healthy dog, both from a psychological point of view of health. This dog has lived almost his entire life in a kennel all define a lager, but
Details? Maybe. What is certain is that we have always adopted animals from seemingly absurd situations, and with great desire and love-unfortunately-losers emerge li abbiamo cresciuti e inseriti nel nostro contesto familiare. Amore è sempre sacrificio. Questo non è solo un motto, ma la nostra filosofia di vita sia da esseri umani che da 'animali'.
*** Se è vero che le leggi per la tutela degli animali da noi sono all’avanguardia (qualcuna ho contribuito a farla approvare anch’io, anche come membro della Consulta della Regione Lombardia per la prevenzione del randagismo), non cosi è la realtà, che specialmente al Sud -ma non solo- ci pone a livello terzomondista. Non ha mai visitato, sig.ra Tiziana, alcuni canili di Sicilia, Campania, Calabria, Puglia ecc? Ha mai visitato, in tutta la penisola, canili pubblici dati in appalto a persone senza scruples? Have you ever seen the miserable life / death of these poor beings without a future? We are bombarded by desperate appeals. As you can ignore them and prefer to sow doubts against animal rights organizations for over 20 years to help them spit blood?
A: No
, Sign. Meyer, I have never visited the kennels of the South Italy. I have enough that I could see the video on YouTube, the testimonies, the data horrible ... I limit myself to the miserable life of North kennels, which I believe must be rehabilitated and be made fit for use on site and open to the public without too many restrictions, but with documents in hand for every visitor! Now I'm almost nurseries, and if they are not healed in time-and we are miserably late on the roadmap of priorities-will remain eternal as such if no one really intervene to protect them. For the series, "wash their dirty linen at home" and not always be lagging behind Europe. It 'also right to stress the fact that Italy is not really the stepmother of these animals forgotten by God and man, but the uterus is the same, and as such should be duly safeguarded. Children must always remain within their mother, and not to the same inglorious torn by the promise of a fairytale life - while possible-and then projected or thrown into the darkness of a stepmother true that has nothing to do with home and the true origins of the same creature. The commitment of the institutions must focus on this absolutely must be remedied and the animals on site. No foreign travel, then. Would you, you, really be torn from your mother? NOT ME, YET WITH MY MOTHER HAD A RELATIONSHIP highly confrontational. The country is our mother, how can we forget? Move a living and sentient from place to place, making travel hundreds of miles without his endorsement, his opinion ... and you if you were in his place? If you were those unable to speak, to express their thoughts? Have you thought for a moment? I did, and as free as the wind I struggled not to live this experience. But even moving from south to north. Hats off to you, and you associations Meyer che ci credete e che state lottando per questo, ma comunque è un dato di fatto la realtà che questi animali non possono per ovvie ragioni dire la loro. Purtroppo io non sono d'accordo e so di essere una goccia nel mare. Per me è impossibile credere che in Madre Patria non si possa risolvere un problema che si protrae da oltre venti anni. Sono stati stanziati dallo Stato fondi esosi al fine di limitare il randagismo, ci si domanda quindi come possa essere sfuggita di mano una situazione tanto drammatica. E poi, per quale ragione ci possiamo arrogare il diritto di estrapolare dal proprio ambiente un animale senza davvero sapere cosa è meglio per questi?
Certo, la vergogna è immensa e concordo con lei, Meyer e sul concetto di un'Italia terzomondista. However reminded of a dramatic question that touches the kennels 'lager' Italians, even if these are only of kennels and just: because where there is corroborated by testimonies and last names on the realities of our kennels North, it is shamefully accused of belonging to organizations or political factions?
A small example to follow is the bunting situation of the moment, as a dogma and Pandino where kennels are defined by popular lager although this is not true. Heck, I have visited, I saw them!
kennels are open to the public and there are a handful of dogs, not more, ergo controllabilissimi. It 's really awful having to accommodate the grievances of those who insist to call them concentration camps for animals in the same way too many others. Why do all the grasses a bundle? But why do you want these kennels are perpetually branded as scum even if they are not? I've been on, of course, the dogs are in the pits, but there is someone who Sgambati, and I do not speak properly or voluntary associations. I have also seen private! Why do not you want to believe in evidence signed by its proper name?
But this is not important where we wanted to see Mark, however, even though there was no reason to see it.
I tell you one thing, though, know that a kennel is always a pound, so a hospital is always a hospital and an orphanage is always an orphanage.
not turn the omelette to ordinary citizens on the welfare of the latter as they are mayors, municipalities, organizations and institutions to be held to account.
fails to comply with obligations to help and rescue operators themselves? The face you pay to them, not the poor animals.
many of us have a roof to shelter and those living on the street, the same way as strays?
I say that there are many, and these are the shelters, the love of many volunteers who work to not let these unfortunate brothers in a forgotten corner. This may not be possible for our animals? Really?
I do not believe, and do not want it that way.
*** you, in addition to sow doubt, but for those one million six hundred thousand of desperate endeavor producing adoptions, right?
R:
Sign. Meyer, believe me, if I could save well over this number of animals! This is a question a little provocative, but I do not want to spark any controversy and say quietly, in my yardstick and action, in full clarity of conscience, as the wicked will be the thing.
For nearly forty years, that is my age, I live with rescued animals from the most absurd situations. I did not know the year of my life in their absence. I gave almost everything to do proud of them. I do not regret, I do not complain and do it again until the end of my days, because I realized that a thousand friends there is only one truly sincere: an animal. Obvious? Apparently, this will seem, but I do not process the intentions and I'm not presuming to judge of all. I talk with my heart in my hand, though they may consider 'enemies' for our views disagree, basing what I say with personal experience. Given that in the morning, although aware of approaching a fateful day, I know I can be happy because my dog \u200b\u200band my cats are looking for me, and not just because they can be hungry, I have also informed that he saved many of their lives . Not much to say. Sure, my limit is commensurate with my disposable income and space, yet I always repeat that if at least half of our fellow citizens do the same, we would be a good place to civilization. I feed everybody, not only to my animals. Now my balcony and my garden is a sea port, and I'm happy. Living in the country and not having to fight with the neighbor, I do my space what pleases me most. My garden offers hospitality to all the animals 'pass', that these are dogs, cats, chickens, chickens, ducks. Everything and everyone.
My husband and I made our choice and not only for the disabled, we have sacrificed for the cause that animal to feel in the marrow. We do not give a damn about the dinners, pizza with friends, cinema, delle discoteche. Tutte velleità inutili. Del resto, cosa c'è di più bello che il guardare un film con i propri animali sulle ginocchia e in grembo a fare da compagnia? Niente, almeno non per noi. Noi pensiamo solo a cosa potremmo fare in più per i nostri animali e i nostri ospiti 'di passaggio'. E non solo.
Questo ci rende ricchi, comunque va, comunque vada.
Quando gli animali ci guardano, perfino quando ci graffiano o ci ringhiano nei momenti 'no', sappiamo di aver fatto e di fare tutto quello che è stato e che è nelle nostre possililità per offrire loro una vita dignitosa. Non vogliamo una medaglia, non vogliamo una pacca sulla spalla. Ci basta un micio o un cane che si strofina al nostro passaggio strappandoci clothes. That's all we need, that gives us satisfaction.
We can not offer them the world, but we know that out of our territory we can not ensure effective protection, ergo circumscribe adoptions among friends and relatives know to do the right thing. We can control the 'after'. Sign. Meyer, as private citizens we can do, but what we do in our limitations come from the heart. The Is that enough?
I do not dare to speak only for myself, not now. Added to this are the names of my husband and my sister who lives with us.
A whole family that has always dedicated itself to animals. We do things big, Sign. Meyer. We limit our actions based on what che possiamo offrire concretamente.
Speriamo con questo articolo di aver soddisfatto almeno in parte le sue domande, confidando in un suo impegno in nome di chi voce non ha, rispettando il suo lavoro e il suo punto di vista.
Se non potremmo essere amici, almeno per amore degli animali non possiamo considerarci davvero nemici.
Tiziana Paghini
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Massimiliano Granata
Gabriella Paghini
PREMESSA:
In data odierna ricevo e pubblico una mail privata da Edgar Meyer, portavoce dell'Associazione GAIA in merito ai nostri rispettivi punti di vista sulle adozioni dei cani all'estero e sul nostro operato in merito alla tutela e benessere degli animali.
Con il suo written permission, without arrogance and the right to post the text without authorization, divulge her thoughts, her questions and my answers.
answers that are offered to the public and that player are my thoughts, my point of view , and called for a debate for all those who have the will and patience to read this book.
recently seems to have dropped a thick curtain on freedom of speech and expression, so I think that, even if adverse, should be a dialogue in mutual respect for different ways of thinking.
This article has as its sole purpose not being "biased" but the comparison of two different ways of thinking and conceiving the reality on animal welfare.
Lately waste the email warning about the content of an article that is in clear opposition of thought with a modus operandi that I do not agree with ideologically, and waste also "calls" very polite and undemocratic of "suppression" of the same only for differing points of view.
If we want to be civil, plead a cause, to publish one of our ideas, the latest way to do this is to foment a war webbiana.
is not a war that will get you goals. Not at current levels.
Tiziana Paghini
This is the text of the email received with the omission of obligation:
From: edgar.meyer*********
Date: 20/12/2009 18:07:59
To: tiziana*************
Subject: Blogs International adoptions of dogs
Paghini Dear Tiziana,
a voluntary association of animal I shot some action on his blog, I did not know in which unwittingly-come-first-named person Because about international adoptions of dogs.
I try to answer it, hoping I can be of interest.
to me "like this weird thing," as she calls it international adoptions, for several reasons. Here is someone (other than that "thing" is not strange but clear and transparent so that the association with Let The Paw promote the sunlight on our site):
are Italian-German nationality (born lived and graduated in Italy) by Italian-Swiss mother and German father. I consider myself a European citizen and I know the different cultures and realities. Reality and culture, especially concerning animal rights, and in Germany and Northern Europe in general is much more advanced than in Italy - unfortunately. Just one example: in Germany, the sterilization is an absolute rule (an exception from us) and the straying essentially unknown, while we have approx. 800,000 stray dogs (data La Sapienza University of Rome) concentrated mainly in central and southern Italy. I could give dozens of examples, but I will stop here. Believe me: the two realities are unfortunately very far apart and one of my efforts as a journalist, as a professional (I was for five years head of the Animal Rights in the Province of Milan and I helped to build the most extensive network of local Uda in Italy: 38 on the territory of the Province of Milan) and as a volunteer in the animal rights movement, is to bring the Italian to the German model.
who has seen with his own eyes the reality of Germany (and not only speak from hearsay, error of superficiality where unfortunately too many animals fall) knows that there is overcrowding in shelters Germans: there are no kennels lager with 800 / 1000 dogs like us !!!!! When a German says that their shelters are overcrowded will say that they have under management more than fifty dogs ... here is another difference between the two. A Tierheim (which translated literally means House (Heim) animal (Tier) can accommodate 800 animals so as to Tierheim Hamburg, but 600 of these birds are retrieved and recovered, a hundred different farm animals (geese, donkeys etc.) and only a hundred dogs, including several from Greece and Spain, where they were sentenced to death! Because in northern Europe is "normal" care of all animals in need, not only dogs and cats. So there are good facilities and citizens know where to turn ... we have the CRAS - Wild Animals Rescue Centre are an absolute rarity and above all hidden and unknown to most. Returning to the dogs, I saw Germans experienced animal cry visiting kennels Italian (Northern Ireland, among other things) contracted with public facilities: they had never seen anything like that in their country.
The trip to Germany and Switzerland is no more stressful than any dog \u200b\u200bwith his "master" when he goes on vacation. If the dog is in bad condition, eg. those in the shelter of Rieti, the association is restored Let the leg in Milan before the journey. This, to an association of animal protection, is so obvious that regret to be compelled to emphasize that.
Dogs "send" in Germany or Switzerland should not be in kennels but in case - the family, the popular (other difference ...) or directly to the adoptive family. The German Association for many years with twin Let the leg are strict and accurate pre-and post adoption. These associations organized, precise, strict controls, hard choice families, sometimes (in my opinion) overly strict. "German", to be precise. Away from the organizational model more typical of the Italian associations, not excluding those in which Soldier, full of good-hearted but sometimes improvisation.
Association Let the leg has the certainty that the dogs are entrusted in good hands. Our volunteer work, laborious and expensive in terms of money and time, including those of close relations with volunteers from Germany and Switzerland: daily mail, telephone calls, travel, meetings. Who wants to have as many certainties, he has only to do the same thing. Work together and to struggle together. Disclose to the four winds lists names and home addresses of adoptive families, you should know, is a crime - both for the Italian law for the German law. Simply, you can not do. They can not do and not do the public shelters, they can not do and not do the private shelters, they can not do and not do the associations that take only Italian families (there is someone who does?) , can not do and not do the associations that take dogs in Italy and abroad with international adoptions. We trust the volunteers of the German associations sisters just as you would normally trust between Italian volunteers who have known for years: because we work together, side by side, because you know, because you share the anxieties and joys, etc. etc.. It 's funny to discover that a voluntary trust Catanzaro control postaffido a voluntary Bologna (if you know it well) but you can not trust a volunteer from London to Frankfurt or Zurich (which you know so well) ...
Now would I have a question for you
- For years, in Italy a minority of animal-fights and never have gone to the bottom of the thing-against international adoptions, which are defined as "exports", "trade" and so on. involving, in the dark crying "wolf wolf", even unsuspecting citizens, who are understandably shocked by these allegations. But never has it been that these rumors are followed by concrete action. If someone's hand, as well as "fears" real concrete evidence of illegality, please make complaints targeted and precise: they blow those who act in bad faith. We would be the first to join with such complaints. Why do not you and we will just throw vague suspicions?
- so fervently against international adoptions. Much less fervor, and many fewer words are used by these animals in demanding an end to the importation of puppies from the East: this means an awful speculation (managed by traders and not-as-international adoptions from animal charities) that kills lots of puppies. Why not concentrate more efforts on this issue real, ask for a change in legislation, as here the evidence is there?
- If it is true that the laws for the protection of animals we are at the forefront (I helped someone to push them too, as a member of the Council of the Lombardy Region for the prevention of stray dogs), not so is the fact that especially in the South-but-not only puts us at the Third World. He has never visited, Ms Tiziana, some kennels of Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Puglia, etc.? Have you ever visited all over the country, public shelters is contracted out to unscrupulous people? Have you ever seen the miserable life / death of these poor beings without a future? We are bombarded by desperate appeals. As you can ignore them and prefer to sow doubts against animal rights organizations for over 20 years to help them spit blood?
- The desperate reality of these poor animals is a certainty. They are not "doubt." Why so much obstinacy on international adoptions? To allay their concerns seriously enough to enter the mechanism. If the doubt (as they are) found to be unfounded? It is profoundly unjust to deny the possibility of finding an adoptive family (even if "foreign land") to so many dogs in Italy (step-mother earth) will never be found? Meglio lasciarli marcire nelle centinaia (sono ca. 300 secondo una mia recente inchiesta pubblicata sulla rivista Quattrozampe) di canili lager?
- Diamoci La Zampa in oltre 20 anni di disperata attività ha contribuito a far adottare ca. 7.000 cani: il 95% di essi in Italia ma il 5% anche all’estero. Sono pochi, pochissimi, a fronte dei ca. 1.600.000 cani (dati LAV) che languono dietro le sbarre dei canili. Un milione e seicentomila ergastolani senza colpa. Non numeri, esseri viventi. A cui, se si riesce, Diamoci La Zampa, Gaia Animali & Ambiente e moltissime altre associazioni provano a dare una nuova speranza di vita. E poco importa se è a casa di Franz Klammer invece che di Toni Esposito. Una frontiera, per noi, non rappresenta il Male (meglio rappresentato dalle frontiere mentali). L’importante è che ci sia una casa. Una famiglia. Un “branco”. E non un lurido box di canile. Lei, oltre che seminare dubbi, per questi un milione e seicentomila di disperati, si adopera producendo adozioni, vero?
Per il bene dei cani sarebbe auspicabile la collaborazione, e non la lotta, tra chi si occupa di diritti animali. Per concentrarci sui veri nemici: cacciatori, vivisettori, maltrattatori, abbandonatori. C’è talmente tanto da fare che, a mio modesto avviso, è un delitto perdere tempo in tutto ciò che non arriva all’obiettivo.
Saluti cordiali.
Edgar Meyer
spokesman Let The Paw
www.diamocilazampa.it
www.gaiaitalia.it
AGREEMENTS TAKEN AS PRIVATELY, HERE IS MY RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS FOR EDGAR MEYER-IN LIGHT OF ITS APPLICATIONS , MY ANSWERS IN BOLD PUBLIC:
*** For years in Italy a minority of animal-fights and never have gone to the bottom of the thing-against international adoptions, which are defined as "exports", "trade" and so on. involving, in the dark crying "wolf wolf", even unsuspecting citizens, who are understandably shocked by these allegations. But there has never happened that these rumors are followed by concrete action. If someone's hand, as well as "fears" real concrete evidence of illegality, please make complaints targeted and precise: they blow those who act in bad faith. We would be the first to join with such complaints. Why do not you and we will just throw vague suspicions?
R: first:
Urge the premise that the undersigned NOT PART OF ANY ASSOCIATION animals and / or political faction. ALSO URGE specified for the umpteenth time that THE SIGNED NON SARA 'MAI FROM CATALOG AS BELONGING TO ONE OF THOSE TWO CATEGORIES. In response to Meyer add that I also have German roots from my father and my husband has repeatedly highlighted the civilization of northern Europe compared to Italy itself, being "adopted" North European. That said, stressing that I move only as an Italian national law-abiding player and doors to the public my feelings, my personal experiences, my views and / or bear without thinking of being part of any animal rights group or movement political. EVERYTHING 'CLEAR AND I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
Now, my thinking is developed through a myriad of complaints for years that run through the web and bringing to the fore the reality of the transfer of our dogs and cats from Italy and abroad. Complaints that do not lead with only a code animals, but the real blitz brought to the citizens as evidence by Nas, the Forest Service, the Police, the Police, and even simple people but, unfortunately for them, victims of theft of their animals for an unknown destination. For obvious reasons, when I can not publish without written consent of the names of these people that if they want in the future may eventually require publication of an article on their own experience. Of course I am available for further testimony corroborated by sources and provided valid documentation in order to uncover a reality that should not now be seen as an attack on Edgar Meyer himself or his group, but the transfer Animal Italy and abroad. The real evidence, unfortunately Sign. Meyer are there, and even if they have nothing to do with his person or the association which represents, however, evidence are going to validate my doubts about foreign adoptions. To this we can add the many appeals / items already in the second half of the 90 people caught between the press and the web itself. So because of this it is normal to require clarity and doubt where it is pitch dark. If not, the concern and the testimonies that have been the subject of many news reports would have no reason to exist. In secundis, Sign. Meyer, it is difficult for all of us who oppose foreign adoptions but open to constructive dialogue, without being able to believe in miraculous adoption corroborate the truth, because as she points out himself, the names of the adopters are private. Make them public is a crime. This, in the absence of volunteers ready to appear publicly with name, reduces everything to a single track: the transfer of the doubt.
Although this expression is bad, you must be honest with God and admit that without some reference to a double check tangible, legitimate doubt is fixed in people's minds like a fire brand. At this point, you will agree with me that it is difficult for citizens to make an accusation without some certainty on the other fonte.Una sort of two-way street but in both directions is a closed fund. If everything was clear and obvious, there would be no hesitation or otherwise would be limited to the individual and not extended to the ground. See for yourself an animal to be adopted in Italy and then to note that these results have already booked abroad raises doubts in anyone. This statement does not want to accuse you of anything or the Association, but it is clear that in a similar landscape, the attack is a spontaneous, if not valid elements of reference. Personally, I have sought clarification on many volunteers, but my mail has always been ignored.
*** so fervently against international adoptions. Much less fervor, and many fewer words is used by these animals in demanding an end to the importation of puppies from the East: this means an awful speculation (managed by traders and not-as-international adoptions from animal charities) that causes the death of many puppies. Why not concentrate more efforts on this issue real, ask for a change in legislation, as here the evidence is there?
R:
course for this response limits the thought and experience only to myself, not being a spokesman for anyone.
On this question to mail me, I can safely say that my little 'battle' has never LIMITED the topic of foreign adoptions and has never favored a single category with regard to the protection and animal welfare.
On my blog, if read carefully, you will find plenty of reasons advocated and feel. From illegal trafficking of animals, abuse, use of 'commercial', that the same food! Not least on the illegal trafficking of pups from the East. It is certain that, once again, I feel compelled to point out my position of NOT TIED TO PRIVATE CITIZEN GROUPS or against themselves and against the institutions. Duty is to remember, however, that the institutions and associations are placed in 'field' right to file this painful and shameful corner of illegal trafficking sentient. Also here, Sign. Meyer, agree with me that what a citizen can do without any valid membership is very, very, very limited.
Needless to focus on all those who, while declaring animals live with contempt adoption of a dog from a kennel or a cat from a cat shelter, preferring to these sad as the famous 'dog' or 'cat' race . Excuse me, but I do not feel belonging to these groups furry, slicked, preachers, good and evil razzolanti. I have always adopted animals in very poor health, not least a dog from the 'infamous' kennel Dogma San Genesio ed Uniti in the province of Pavia.
A dog without a 'References', which according to what is today is published with fanfare from the web, comes from a lager.
Well, neither I nor my husband, we faced the dilemma of what we brought home! Everything was closed box and was conceptually designed by virtue of what was and is conveyed via the web. In essence, a lottery. But we wanted to know the conditions of the dog, and he has lifted the morale to have understood that our Ares did not come from what they call too many kennels lager! Ares, our great puppy from the character of steel, so as to get a kennel, but not from a camp! Did not come from Trump Plaza, but did not reach even to Auschwitz. I am sorry to raise an argument in many uncomfortable and I was going not to dig up more, but that's the truth, and not trust it, even if supported with names and surnames, in fortune or misfortune of the adopter. This is not a question of fate but of objectivity. This dog is well, and here I published everything possible, but no one wanted to believe me. Perhaps it was easier and more useful illusion to the contrary. But what could be my profits? None! I have never come to terms with anybody, and I was very saddened by the fact that, when asked, the Mayor of San Genesio ed Uniti, head of the doghouse dogma, did not want to accept my testimony and that of my husband. Written evidence, signed, and sent via registered mail and that no has never had any order if not the welfare of animals. After four years of stay in abundant Dogma, this dog has no particular problems Sgambati or adapt to our environment. It 's a healthy dog, both from a psychological point of view of health. This dog has lived almost his entire life in a kennel all define a lager, but
Details? Maybe. What is certain is that we have always adopted animals from seemingly absurd situations, and with great desire and love-unfortunately-we have grown up losers emerge and become part of our family environment. Love is always sacrifice. This is not just a motto, but our philosophy of life is to be human beings that 'animals'.
*** If it is true that the laws for the protection of animals we are at the forefront (I helped someone to push them too, as a member of the Council of the Lombardy Region for the prevention of stray dogs), is not so reality, especially in the South-but-not only puts us at the Third World. He has never visited, Ms Tiziana, some kennels of Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Puglia, etc.? Have you ever visited all over the country, public shelters is contracted out to unscrupulous people? Have you ever seen the miserable life / death of these poor beings without a future? We are bombarded by desperate appeals. As you can ignore them and prefer to sow doubts against animal rights organizations for over 20 years to help them spit blood?
A: No
, Sign. Meyer, I have never visited the kennels of the South Italy. I have enough that I could see the video on YouTube, the testimonies, the data horrible ... I limit myself to the miserable life of North kennels, which I believe must be rehabilitated and be made fit for use on site and open to the public without too many restrictions, but with documents in hand for every visitor! Now I'm almost nurseries, and if they are not healed in time-and we are miserably lagging behind on the timetable will remain eternal priorities-such as if nobody really intervene to protect them. For the series, "wash their dirty linen at home" and not always il fanalino di coda dell'Europa. E' giusto anche porre l'accento sul fatto che l'Italia non è propriamente la matrigna di questi animali dimenticati da Dio e dall'uomo, ma è l'utero degli stessi, e come tale va doverosamente salvaguardata. I figli debbono SEMPRE rimanere in seno alla loro madre, e non strappati ingloriosamente alla stessa con la promessa di una vita da favola - seppur possibile- e quindi proiettati o catapultati nel buio di una matrigna vera che nulla ha a che vedere con la patria e le origini vere della stessa creatura. L'impegno delle Istituzioni deve assolutamente concentrarsi su questa e gli animali debbono essere sanati in loco. Nessun espatrio, quindi. Vorreste, voi, essere strappati davvero da vostra madre? IO NO, EPPURE CON MIA REPORT mother had a highly confrontational. The country is our mother, how can we forget? Move a living and sentient from place to place, making travel hundreds of miles without his endorsement, his opinion ... and you if you were in his place? If you were those unable to speak, to express their thoughts? Have you thought for a moment? I did, and as free as the wind I struggled not to live this experience. But even moving from south to north. Hats off to you, Meyer and associations that you believe and you're fighting for this, but it is a fact of reality that these animals can not for obvious reasons have their say. Unfortunately I do not agree and I know I'm a drop nel mare. Per me è impossibile credere che in Madre Patria non si possa risolvere un problema che si protrae da oltre venti anni. Sono stati stanziati dallo Stato fondi esosi al fine di limitare il randagismo, ci si domanda quindi come possa essere sfuggita di mano una situazione tanto drammatica. E poi, per quale ragione ci possiamo arrogare il diritto di estrapolare dal proprio ambiente un animale senza davvero sapere cosa è meglio per questi?
Certo, la vergogna è immensa e concordo con lei, Meyer e sul concetto di un'Italia terzomondista. Tuttavia sovviene una drammatica domanda che va a toccare i canili 'lager' italiani, anche laddove questi sono solo dei canili e basta: perchè dove ci sono testimonianze avvalorate da nomi e cognomi sulle reality of our kennels North, it is shamefully accused of belonging to organizations or political factions?
A small example to follow is the bunting situation of the moment, as a dogma and Pandino where kennels are defined by popular lager although this is not true. Heck, I have visited, I saw them!
kennels are open to the public and there are a handful of dogs, not more, ergo controllabilissimi. It 's really awful having to accommodate the grievances of those who insist to call them concentration camps for animals the same way as too many others. Why do all the grasses a bundle? But why do you want these kennels are perpetually branded as scum even if they are not? I've been on, yes, the dogs are in the pits, but there is someone who Sgambati, and I do not speak properly or groups of volunteers. I have also seen private! Why do not you want to believe in evidence signed by its proper name?
But this is not important where we wanted to see Mark, however, even though there was no reason to see it.
I tell you one thing, though, know that a kennel is always a pound, so a hospital is always a hospital and an orphanage is always an orphanage.
not turn the omelette to the ordinary citizen well-being of the latter as they are mayors, municipalities, organizations and institutions to be held to account.
fails to comply with obligations to help and rescue operators themselves? The si faccia pagare a loro, non a dei poveri animali.
Quanti di noi hanno un tetto per ripararsi e quanti vivono per strada, alla stessa stregua dei randagi?
Io dico che sono molti, e per questi ci sono i ricoveri, la carità di molti volontari che si adoperano per non lasciare questi sventurati fratelli in un angolo dimenticato. Questo non può essere possibile per i NOSTRI animali? Davvero?
Non ci credo, e non voglio che sia così.
*** Lei, oltre che seminare dubbi, per questi un milione e seicentomila di disperati, si adopera producendo adozioni, vero?
R:
Sign. Meyer, mi creda, se potessi salverei ben oltre questa cifra di animali! Questa è una domanda un pò provocatoria, ma io non voglio innescare polemica alcuna e le rispondo con tranquillità, secondo il mio metro di giudizio e di azione, in piena limpidità di coscienza, per quanto le potrà risultare scellerata la cosa.
Da quasi quarant'anni, ovvero la mia età, io vivo con animali salvati dalle più assurde situazioni. Non ho conosciuto anno della mia vita in loro assenza. Ho rinunciato praticamente a tutto pur di non far mancare nulla a loro. Non me ne pento, non me ne lamento e lo rifarei fino alla fine dei miei giorni, perchè mi sono resa conto che tra mille amici c'è n'è uno solo davvero sincero: un animale. Ovvietà? Apparentemente le parrà questo, ma io non faccio processi intentions and I do not presuming to judge of all. I talk with my heart in my hand, though they may consider 'enemies' for our views disagree, basing what I say with personal experience. Given that in the morning, although aware of approaching a fateful day, I know I can be happy because my dog \u200b\u200band my cats are looking for me, and not just because they can be hungry, I have also informed that he saved many of their lives . Not much to say. Sure, my limit is commensurate with my Economic and availability of space, yet I always repeat that if at least half of our fellow citizens do the same, we would be a good place to civilization. I feed everybody, not only to my animals. Now my balcony and my garden is a sea port, and I'm happy. Living in the country and not having to fight with the neighbor, I do my space what pleases me most. My garden offers hospitality to all the animals 'pass', that these are dogs, cats, chickens, chickens, ducks. Everything and everyone.
My husband and I made our choice and not only for the disabled, we have sacrificed for the cause that animal to feel in the marrow. We do not give a damn about the dinners, pizza with friends, cinema, discos. All pretensions useless. After all, what's better than watching a movie with your dog on his lap and knees to make pet? Nothing, at least not for us. We believe only what we could do more for our animals and our guests 'pass'. And not only.
This makes us rich, still goes, whatever happens.
When the animals look at us, even when we scratch or growl at times 'no', we know we have done and do everything that was and is in our possililità to offer them a decent life. We do not want a medal, we do not want a pat on the shoulder. All we need is a cat or a dog as we passed that she rubs tearing his clothes. That's all we need, that gives us satisfaction.
We can not offer them the world, but we know that out of our territory we could not ensure effective protection, ergo circumscribe adoptions among friends and relatives know to do the right thing. We can control the 'after'. Sign. Meyer, as private citizens we can do, but what we do in our limitations come from the heart. The Is that enough?
I do not dare to speak only for myself, not now. Added to this are the names of my husband and my sister who lives with us.
A whole family that has always dedicated itself to animals. We do things big, Sign. Meyer. We limit our actions based on what we can offer a concrete way.
We hope this article has fulfilled at least part of his questions, trusting in his efforts on behalf of those who have no voice, respect his work and his point of view.
If we could be friends, at least for the sake of the animals we can not really consider us enemies.
Paghini
Tiziana and Massimo Granata
Gabriella Paghini
